Creation vs Evolution debate. Is there a higher power that created us?
How did we come to be?
Where did we come from? How did we get here? Is human existence due to random acts of nature or was man created by a higher power.
Well these questions have been around for eons and the problems is that we are no were close to understanding the truth. The worst part is it will be many lifetimes before that truth is absolutely know to all.
There is the belief that a higher power is responsible for creating mankind. Then you have the almost exact opposite belief that the universe in its infinity and randomness was the reason for Life on earth. We then evolved from single celled organisms to what we are today.
One side refuses to believe that there is something more powerful that created mankind and they believe we evolved and are all related to other life forms on the planet. Connected in such a way that if traced back you can see where the evolutionary splits happened.
On the other side people refuse that we are related to primates and that we were created in god’s image. We were put here for a reason and that we should continue to pray to a higher power. They abide by written words passed down by higher beings.
Both sides try to refute the other, and both sides cannot be right. Evolutionists will try to prove through science how we evolved, and worshipers have bibles and faith as all the reason needed. The overall question is this; did a higher power create Man?
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# 1 by loyal at May 19th, 2009
It is nice to think that something unknown is due to something more powerful in control. Just because we do not know, you can not simply chalk it up to gods work.
If it did not rain, it is only becuase it was not ready to rain.
If there was an earthquake, it is becuase it was time for an earthquake.
If you go hungry, it is because you did not obtain food.
We are what we are and there is nothing pulling our strings.
# 2 by Lioness at May 20th, 2009
Question…If there is some great creator or higher power, who or what created that? There is no higher power. There are many things we don’t know or can’t explain. That just means we haven’t found the answer yet, not that some god created it.
# 3 by blaxilver at May 26th, 2009
I agree with the question of what created the creator, but the same question can be asked of the other side. The most accepted theory in the scientific world is the big bang. That purposes that the “primordial” elements reached a density, and heat level, causing the explosion known as the big bang. So the question would be, where did those elements come from? The universe was created at some point, but to say science is more correct because you can question the creation of a creator, doesn’t mean that another flawed explanation is any better.
# 4 by Blair at May 26th, 2009
No one is saying that science is more correct. That is not the point at all. We do not know where the elements came from. But because of science someday we might know. The underlying point in it all is that if we cannot explain something then that means we cannot explain it. When something is unexplained the possibilities of the explaination are endless. We simply cannot single out god as the default explaination when there are other just as plausable explainations.
# 5 by blaxilver at May 26th, 2009
There is still no reason to discount those that might believe the other way. There might be a way of proving the reality about how everything came to exist, but just because you believe that this proof will most likely come through means that you believe in, doesn’t mean those that believe different are wrong.
# 6 by Wright at May 20th, 2009
I’m going to argue against my own stance of “No Way” on this topic just give some of you something to think about.
# 7 by - J at May 22nd, 2009
I can see there being a higher power that created us, perhaps not. I cannot tell you what God is but I can tell you what God isn’t. There is no Christian God. There is no Allah. There is no Yahweh. There is no Brahma, no Vishnu, no Shiva. No religion can possibly know.
# 8 by firefly at May 22nd, 2009
Well you do not really think we came from fish do you? That is just crazy as I am not a fish. We were created in gods image and we did not evolve.
There is no proof or link to prove evolution.
# 9 by Blair at May 25th, 2009
Where does one begin… No proof or link to prove evolution? Such a statement does nothing to further a discussion. It only serves to illustrate the ignorance and lack of education that is so prevalant. It makes it hard to have an intelligent discussion when parties at the table are not even educated enough to understand the facts about the subject they are arguing about. I don’t want to get into providing facts that support evolution. (I have a feeling it may be a necessary task further along in the discussion.)
Evolution does not have all the answers, there are many things that we cannot explain currently. That’s the beauty of science. Answers are continually being revealed and the search for knowledge will continue as long as humans exist. But in the meantime the absence of an explaination can never be considered proof of a god. Science will find the answers and as they do the religious will continue to rewrite their “evidence” to fit the secular explainations of the world around us as they have done for thousands of years.
# 10 by KHor at May 25th, 2009
There’s no “I” in “explanation” so therefore there is a God :p
# 11 by KHor at May 25th, 2009
Oh wait its a Wiki, give me 10 minutes and it’ll say something else. Just tormenting, i am an Evolutionist however Wiki’s do not supply solid fact’s anyone can modify it.
# 12 by Wright at May 27th, 2009
Wow man..
It’s a beetle. Believe what you want but editing a wiki doesn’t change reality. The link was just a convenience link as opposed to telling you to go Google it yourself. It’s not like I’m citing it in a doctoral thesis.
# 13 by KHor at May 28th, 2009
Well if you took the time to google a Wiki and post it to save us time then perhaps you should have posted a link with a ligitimate fact; opposed to one anyone of us could have written. To make any type of valid statement one must use valid data anything else is irrelevant.
# 14 by Blair at May 25th, 2009
If there is a creator there is a point that needs to be addressed. Oddly the gap in the designer theory rarely comes to light even though it should be painfully obvious to anyone. The argument is made that we are far too complex to have evolved and therefore we must have had a creator. If we were created by a designer then surely the designer would be more complex than us. No one could argue that we are more complex than the designer. So with that being said how can it be that we are too complex to have evolved and must have had a designer yet the designer, who is far more complex, did not have a designer. The only way the designer theory can work is if the designer had a designer who had a designer who had a designer and so on for infinity. It’s such a ridiculous argument to suggest that we are too complex to not have a designer yet the designer who is more complex than us did not have a designer.
# 15 by Abel at May 25th, 2009
Dearest Blair
I feel sorry for any person that is so shattered in their faith that they need to rally to the banners of Evolution and Science for answers. Science has not been able to explain why our world is the only world in the entire universe to have life. Why we need air to breathe yet would drown when we try to breathe water, which still contains air that we should be able to breathe (god does not want us to live beneath the depths of the oceans that is why we drown!!!). I weep for your eternal soul knowing that when you final pass on to the after life the creator will have to cast you down into Hell (notice I mentioned they as I am “evolved” enough to admit that the creator may or may not be male or female) as you have balked at all the evidence of GODS existence. If evolution is correct how do you explain the missing link … what animal did we evolve from … were is our ancestor that we “evolved” from!!! Is your response going to be, we have not found it yet but I know (in other words HAVE FAITH) that we will in time … a bit of the pot calling the kettle on that one I would say. Strange we have found no evidence of the missing link yet we find all these “dinosaur fossils” littered about the earth. Let us not even enter the foolishness of the dinosaur and a world millions of years old. I know I know we can “carbon date” things to prove their supposed age … amazing how it is only the scientists that can understand how carbon dating works and their explanation requires us to BELIEVE them. How do you explain the miracles that happen every day, people survive incredible accidents, others make miraculous medical recoveries, etc … and the constant testing of people’s faith (sickness, injury, etc) of which sir you are in drastically short supply? I am sorry if I seem to be attacking you as I am just sick to my stomach to think of one of the lord’s flock lost in the mist and fog of Science and its evil core of deceit. I hope even if you are not Catholic that you make a sojourn to the Vatican and bask in the glory of our gentle and loving creator. Perhaps the words of the Pope will make their way into your darkened heart and help heal your withered soul.
With the deepest love from one child of god to another.
Abel
# 16 by Abel at May 25th, 2009
I hope I have not offended you too deeply. Your delay in response means I have either hurt your feelings deeply which I apologize for only so much in that I have caused you emotional pain as I hope my words my fetch even the tiniest hold on your soul and grow in strength and one day save you bringing you back to our lord and saviors loving arms. The other option is you are trying to amass a small army of “scientific facts” that confirm your deluded opinion of existence these so called facts will fall to my shield of faith.
Hoping you see the light and love of god
Abel
# 17 by Blair at May 25th, 2009
How can someone feel sorry for someone who puts faith in science? It is not faith when there is facts and proof to back up arguments. What does belief mean? It means not resting on logical proof or material evidence. How can this ever be seen as a better alternative to science? If someone really believed this then how can they accept medical attention? Where does the medical advances come from? It comes from science not from faith. When was the last medical breakthrough developed through faith?
The fact that someone does not die from an accident simply means that their vital organs were not impacted in such a way as to cause death. If the reason they survived is considered proof that god exists then can’t one deduce that if someone dies in an accident that is proof god does not exist? You can’t have it both ways. Have you considered random chance? If there were 100 accidents, without god would all 100 die? Random chance would dictate some will die and some will not. Besides if there was a god why would he cause the accident in the first place? Just so he can save the person? why not avoid the accident all together. It sounds a bit twisted to me. I feel sorry that i don’t have a god who plays games like that!
Again it needs to be reiterated that the absence of an explaination is not proof of god. How can one make the leap that the default explaination is god where a scientific explaination is missing. It simply means we do not have the explaination. Science continues to make advances each and every day. Where would we be if we relied simply on faith and not focused our efforts on understanding and explaining the world around us.
It always amazes me with religious people that when they are challanged how quickly they exhibit hate and incivility. Isn’t this against your teachings? Why am i going to hell? because i question things and look for answers that can be explained in a rational way? If there was a god who do you think he would favor? An honest information seeker who admits he didn’t believe because he was searching for real answers, or a religious person who says they believed because they were scared of hell? Why did they teach the idea of hell? Fear. They wanted people afraid. It greatly aids in matters of control. Speaking of hell, this is yet another example of people not understanding their own religion. Anyone who understands the catholic beliefs should know that the vatican has publically abandoned the idea of hell. Look it up. This in itself should speak volumes about religion. How can they abandon an idea? It stongly suggests someone is making it up as they go along!
If you use the argument that the fact there is no life on another planet is proof god exists does that mean once we find proof of life then that means god does not exist? One would not expect us to have found life on another planet so early in our development anyways. There are billions of galaxies with billions of planets in each one and we have only explored such a tiny few. What will the religious say once life is discovered? What does life on other planets have to do with god anyways? why can’t god have life on other planets? how is the location of where life is found important anyways?
# 18 by MoonGoat at May 25th, 2009
LMFAO
This discussion is awesome.
“Both sides try to refute the other, and both sides cannot be right.”
I’d like to bring up this portion of the question for a minute and ask, WHY THE HELL NOT?
There’s only so far faith can take you (like omg, did Adam & Eve have belly buttons?) and there’s only so far science can take you (like omg, does 3k radiation smell like dirty socks?).
What if both were right? I simply LOVE Creationists so I’d like to ask them “what if God created Evolution?”
# 19 by blaxilver at May 26th, 2009
I agree with MoonGoat
I don’t see why there has to be one side here. Science says that evolution is a perfect model. Studies have shown, time and time again, that through a process of evolution any ecosystem will sustain itself, even if it must change to do so. The ability to evolve has made it possible for life to carry on through ice ages and water rises through the known history of the earth.
I myself question religion and other faith based beliefs, but I must ask those that strongly believe one question.
If man has discovered that evolution is real and has proven it as the optimal and most perfect means for life development, and if the creator is perfect and would have created a perfect way for life to exist on this planet, then wouldn’t he have done this in the most perfect of ways?
I come from a strong Christian background and I have found a few things to be true. First, the creator would do things in such a way that may not make sense to those that follow him. Second, the creator gave us the knowledge to figure things out and learn about everything around us. Third, the creator, and followers, teach to question everything, including the creator.
# 20 by Blair at May 26th, 2009
Well said blax but there are a few comments in there that i disagree with.
1. Evolution has not been proven to be the optimal and most perfect means for life development. It is simply a means of development but far from perfect. Close to 99% of all species that have ever lived on earth are extinct. I would hardly classify that as the most optimal and perfect means of life development.
2. I would like to know how you determine the “truths.” How do you know that the creator would do things in such a way that may not make sense to those who follow him? How can anyone believe they can understand their gods intentions? If you believed you understood your gods mind isn’t that the highest form of blasphemy?
3. You may have knowledge, as we all do in some form or another, but how can you determine where that knowledge came from? The “truth” is that we do not know why we have the abilities we do. We cannot then simply default back to god as the explaination. God is not the default answer for the unexplained.
4. Who teaches to question everything? I have studied many religions and this is not a common trait of religion. In fact it is quite the opposite. Those who question are cast as doubters and unbelievers and in many places this qualifies you for the death penalty. The fact that religion is based on faith means that questions are not widely accepted. That’s what faith means, accepting ideas and beliefs not based in logical proofs or material evidence.
# 21 by blaxilver at May 26th, 2009
1. Most “scientist” that study evolution would disagree with you. So would the mainstream scientific community. Just because species die off, doesn’t mean that evolved forms of those species survive or that survival of the fittest is not still true. Evolution has dead ends.
2. I can only assume that if the creator is perfect, wouldn’t the creator do things in a perfect way? I do not necessarily believe in a creator, but if I did I wouldn’t claim to know how that creator thought. I only inserted for those that do not believe in evolution, that if their creator was perfect, and if evolution was the most perfect form of life interaction, then it would make sense for the creator to create evolution.
3. I argue only to the believers in a creator on that point. Most religions believe that our knowledge was given to us by the creator in one way or another. I do not know why we know what we know.
4. I was raised a Christian. In the bible it says plain and clear to question everything. Only organized churches have made that into something that shouldn’t be done. Why don’t you try reading and stop studying what others have to say about it.
# 22 by Blair at May 26th, 2009
Adam and Eve did not really exist and are only characters in a fictional story therefore their belly buttoms are a matter for the writer and the reader’s imagination.
As for the 3k radiation science can easily test this. 3k radiation is simply the Planck’s radiation emitted by gaseous interstellar matter at 3K. All we need is the 3k radiation, a dirty sock and an olfactory system. Then science can perform a simple comparative analysis. Simple as pie. As a matter of fact i think i may have some 3k radiation at home in my closet and dirty socks are in abundant supply at my place. Guess what i’m doing tonight when i get home!
# 23 by Parker at May 27th, 2009
I do not understand why people think something is real only because someone wrote a bible full of stories.
# 24 by Blair at May 27th, 2009
4. I was raised a Christian. In the bible it says plain and clear to question everything. Only organized churches have made that into something that shouldn’t be done. Why don’t you try reading and stop studying what others have to say about it.
The ironic thing about being raised any religion is that it is just that, being raised. Your religious beliefs are a result of your geographic location, your parents, and your community. If you were born in india there is a good chance you would not be christian. This then makes a religion selection rather arbitrary don’t you think? You have this belief because of where you grew up and you have not exercised your own free thinking to see outside the ethnocentric boundries which you were subjected to. If you were given another book instead of the bible you would be quoting that one. Doesn’t that make it rather obvious that religion is a product of man not god? You know the stories that were told to you (by other humans.) Other religious children know stories that were told to them (by other humans.) No teaching has ever come from a god. Everything you know from your bible was written by people, not a god. Imagine growing up in a home where you never see your parents and your big sister bosses you around. But she tells you she was told by the parents to give you the orders. So you follow the orders to keep your parents happy. When you grow older wouldn’t it occur to you that maybe big sister is really the boss?
# 25 by Blair at May 27th, 2009
Again, point missed. No belief is valid. There are too many possibilities for an explaination to arbitrairly pick one. No one belief is more proveable or discountable than the other because all beliefs have the exact same percentage of proof, 0%. So why start picking?
# 26 by Wright at May 27th, 2009
Well… when in doubt there is always the Flying Spaghetti Monster (blessed be His meatballs)
A rapidly growing faith in North America, and just as proven as any other.
(Open Letter To Kansas School Board )
May you be touched by his noodly appendage!
# 27 by Abel at May 29th, 2009
I will start this off by saying I like OUR almighty creator have eternal patience and love for all life but I must say I am distressed to see the lack in faith from most of those speaking here. People I simply ask how do we exist here and now … can anyone tell me with 100% proof how the universe began … please do not bring up the big bang fanciful tale as it was and always has been an attack on faith an nothing more (one infinitely small mass exploded into the known universe …) The answer to our existence is GOD… there is NO other possibility. Evolution is another of sciences evil assassins, it like DNA and clocks has shaken the faith of more believers then I can think of without weeping for the souls lost. Moongoat you poor little troglodyte I don’t think you even had a point you just got excited and needed to type anything to feel that you belonged to something, this discussion … instead try joining something much larger and infinitely more powerful the Christian faith. Welcome the knowledge of the Bible that was a gathering of gospels written in ages lone past, some by those lucky enough to have spent time with the son of our father and our savior. Now on to the rest of you, I see here comments of our faith stating to question everything … I think the meaning of this is actually to look to GOD for your answers when you have questions, thou science is always sitting there to offer answers (that fit their logic and deepest desire to crush faith). I want to thank Blair for helping to prove my point as to the unlikely hood of Evolution (don’t try to take it back now my soon to be brother of god) as he pointed out 99% of the creatures on this earth have died out which makes Evolution preposterous!!!! One might surmise that a greater power placed these creatures on the earth only to expire and therefore reconfirm our beliefs that we are the chosen favorites of the creator. It is like all this worry about “global warming” … it is sciences way of covering the real reason the earth is warming. God is slowing beginning to turn the earth into a tropical paradise soon we wont have to go south to enjoy warm temperatures year round … I think he is starting this process slowly to give you nonbelievers yet another chance to stop denying what they know in there hearts and accept the love and peace of our lord and father. Those who fail will be cast into the burning pits of Lucifer’s realm to spend eternity burning and screaming for forgiveness that is too late to offer. To the people sitting up on that high picket fence … Blaxi, Moongoof or what ever your name is and all the others to scared to take a side …. Please take a stand, get off the uncomfortable fence and jump down to the side of righteousness and goodness. I fear if you land on the other side, that of science you will find the grass is made of edged steel and painted green to deceive you. To late you will learn (when your feet slam into the “grass” and are cut to pieces) your folly and look to us on the other side of the fence and see our pity that you realized to late that science is evil. Science can only lead to the destruction of your morality. With out the Bible we would live in chaos … I beg all of you to take some time and go to a house of our lord (a church for some of you uneducated heathens) and glean wisdom from your time there. Even if the church is closed just lean your forehead on front doors and begin to hum … after just a couple of hours you will begin to gain in his knowledge and strength. Last I am speaking to the heretics of the False Food Deity, your faith is a mockery of mine it was created for the sole purpose to mock mine and I would wager most of its followers are actually followers of the Dark One and attempting to dam people for eternity!!!! When the final battle begins I will be volunteering to bring “TRUTH & REFORM” to your ranks and as much as I detest battle I will relish dealing with you blasphemers … oh my just thinking about your “faith” has me so mad I have to go pray … I will return!
With heart felt love for all
Abel
# 28 by Abel at May 29th, 2009
Just before i go pray i want to explain one of my staements … i mentioned clocks as one of sciences assassins … the reasoning behind this is before we truly started defining time to the last secound god was something man thought of and prayed to all the time … i find that over history “GODs time” has been shrinking from all the time to sundays and then done to a few hours each sunday for most of the “part time beleivers” it sickens me to look about at church and see most people glancing down at their watchs every few minutes … they are in the greatest place in existence and they can not wait to leave … ok I am done it just crushes me I mean the disrespect it shows I just want to jump up grab one of them and slam him throught the great doors and pummel him on the steps of his lord screaming “IS THIS WHAT YOU ARE WAITING FOR … GREAT HERE IT IS” and then when the beating is done bring the poor creature back into the house of God and let him see through new eyes the love of our lord.
I am hoping you all have a wonderful day and we will chat with you soon
Able
# 29 by mrklatu at June 20th, 2009
Throughout eternity , creative intelligence has always existed . The creative human intelligence has evolved to the point that he can travel to distant galaxies , build the sturdiest , most energy efficient homes , and grow the healthiest foods . Living according to natural law
is the master plan , the destination point ,
for the evolved human species .
It is this creative human intelligence that will
carry on forever , throughout eternity , and can
never be destroyed .
The human race , however , is a deteriorated species of humanoids , a product of genetic engineering , that has been perpetrated by the Powers That Be … we’ll just call it the PTB .
The theories of creation and evolution are both myths . Just like the liberals and conservatives , the democrats and republicans , left wing and right wing …they mean nothing . C/E are merely warring factions , pitted against each other by the
people that are pulling the strings … the same people that control language , the dialectics , the Churches , the military , and the legal and educational systems . Sound like a conspiracy …
it is … of course the corporate media will tell you that conspiracies don’t exist and never have … they’ll even deem you an enemy combantant if you tell them that conspiracies exist .
Do I believe that something came from nothing ?…
No . Do I believe that human beings possess a thing called creative intelligence ? Yes , but I also believe that only a small portion of the population is capable of tapping into it .
Do I believe that the human species evolved from the primates ? No , but if it has , then I would believe it’s the result of genetic engineering . This genetic engineering didn’t originate on our planet , Earth …
it’s been going on for eons of time , a length of time that you couldn’t begin to imagine .
You can believe what you want to believe …
that’s your First Amendment right . If you take the blue pill , you might think that God “waved his magic wand ,” and heaven and earth were created …
literally . If you take the red pill , then the search will take you to the inner light … you will begin to read between the lines , and the truth , as hideous as it may be , will be revealed to you , and you will realize that you’ve been lied to , from
cradle to grave .
There are two solutions …
The final solution , which is what they have in store for us … or the eternal solution … which is to live according to natural law .
# 30 by Richard at June 20th, 2009
Growing up in a Christian family I was subject to the ways of Christianity and for the first several years of my youth I had no doubts as to whether there was a god or not, but, as time had passed and I had grown older I started to have my doubts as to whether there really is a god or not.
I am now agnostic not because of what I don’t know, but because of what I do know.
Jesus said that the wise man builds his house upon the rock and the fool builds his upon the sand. This is a parable in which the rock represents the Truth and the house represents one’s Faith. In other words one should base their faith on truth and not base their truths’ on faith.
That being said and the Bible being based on testimonies (Old Testiment and New Testiment) then why is the very first verse, in the very first chapter in the very first book of the Bible (”In the beging God created heven and Earth”) absent of any author and/or witness? Is this basing ones’ faith on truth or is it basing ones’ truths on faith.
I choose to base my faith on that which is natrual not super-natural, or by another name superstition.
Science is now my religion
# 31 by richard at June 25th, 2009
i am studing evolution and i go to church everyday so i want to know?
# 32 by Richard at June 26th, 2009
Dear richard
It’s good that you want to learn about evolution and that you are at least giving it some consideration. I myself have been enlighten to be able to think for myself and
and find truth. It might be a sin to not have faith in god, but I honestly believe that
seeking the truth is not wrong. And that’s what science is all about.
Is science perfect? No. Does it have all the answers? No. But to be nieve is innocent, but to be ignorant is to be guilty, because if you are nieve it simply means that you don’t have the truth, but to ignore the truth, not give it some consideration, or replace it with unproven ideas is being ignorant.
My sister-inlaw, who is a christian, once ask me what the bible is, in which I told her “It’s a religious book”, she said “No it’s the word of God”, I showed her in the dictionary under bible and it said, ” A sacred book of christianity”. She still insisted it was the word of god, so I decided that since she ask me an innocent question in which I gave her an honest answer I would ask her an innocent question. I said how do you know it’s the word of God? She couldn’t answer my question because she didn’t have truth.
If you have doubt it simply means you don’t have the truth. It’s NOT the devil. Scientist aren’t evil demons trying to deceive people into turning their backs on god. If you know something to be true you don’t doubt it do you? That’s why christians are always doubting science because they base their truths on faith.
Just remember one thing about truth, and that is that truth never contradicts itself.
Keep an open mind and always seek truth,
for when you find it and know it you will then be able to move on and be set free.
# 33 by Richard at June 27th, 2009
I would like to say about the different comments and feed-back of the individuals in this debate. Is that I did not expect to see such a diverse aray of opinions.
First off I would like to say that I agree with most of what Blair has to say. It is so refreshing to read his comments and know that I am not alone in how, why, and what I believe. If you noticed I said why. That is because most people do not know why they belive in something. For example mrklatu might know that we were engineer through genetics, yet can’t tell you any DETAILS about it other than it didn’t happen on earth, and that it has been happening for eons of time that goes beyond our imagination. What source of information does he have that lets him KNOW this to be the truth? Are there witness’ to this event Are these witness’s still alive, as to be able to give their testimonies, and be able to be subject to cross examination. Does DNA support this claim like it supports evolution? If they are absent of any evidence that is a known truth
and fact such as DNA, then what are you basing your beliefs on? This is not science, but rather speculation. What do I belive in? Science. How do I believe? By having an open mind and being objective to all ideas, no matter how possible or impossible it might sound. I give it all consideration at first, but I don’t start to belive it until it has been well established, and supported by known facts. And as to why I believe? I find that sciece is the most truthful explanation to our very own existence and that it is basing ones’ beleifs on TRUTH.
And finally about Abel. You must have chosen one time in your life to close your mind to all possibilities except one, and not give any fair consideration to any kind of logical, sound and establish reasoning.
Instead you choose an unproven, contradicting book that might as well start out as Once Upon A Time. Please insult your own intellegence, not mine or others. Belive in what ever you want. Science is REAL. Not faith base on hear-say, and/or speculation.
Thanks once again Blair for your wonderful insight.
# 34 by mrklatu at June 28th, 2009
Thanks for replying Richard, and you are correct on my speculation…it seems that all I can do, is speculate on what is the truth, because that’s what the PTB is good at…hiding the truth…because they know that if we knew what they know, then we could topple them very quickly. I don’t claim to know the truth, but I do know how to read between the lines…I understand the truth for what it is…it is a rope bound skeleton dangling at the bottom of an outhouse pit. The forces of evil have always been pitted against the forces of good, and if the PTB can’t find an enemy, then they’ll invent one…that’s how they profit from endless wars…and yes, Jesus said in the New Testament, that to understand the workings of the beast, and deal with it accordingly, you must be “innocent like the lamb, but wise like the serpent.”
To my fellow forum attendees, I must say that the argument between creation and evolution, in my humble opinion, is the ultimate diversion from the truth…and the truth is, that if mankind doesn’t learn from his past historical mistakes, and then repeats these same mistakes, then his mistakes are transformed into an error, and this error message from hell will be the final nail in his proverbial coffin. Depart from the hindbrain and enter into the cerebrum !
# 35 by Richard at June 28th, 2009
Dear mrklatu,
Thank you for responding, but I think you miss the point at which I’m trying to get across. You say that you read between the lines, but do you read between your own lines as well? I do believe that there is wisdom in the bible, such as “See with your ears, and hear with your eyes.” This would be reading between the lines. But to make a statment that evolution is a myth and include it as a religion is foolish. When I said that science is my religion, I meant that is what I choose to believe in because it is well supported by known facts, not guessing.
Intelligent Design for example might make sense at first, but it has already been found to be a suedo science. Evolution vs Dover county school district in Dover Pennsilvania
was an actual case in which scientist for evolution sued certain ID creators as to whether Intelligent Design is a viable science
and be tought along with evolution.
The outcome was that the inventors of Intelligent Design had guilty of taking the word creation, giving it a dressed up name, appling a little sciene to it,and trying to sneek it into the school system. In the end science “1″, Intelligent Design” 0″.
Please know this that wisdom doesn’t come from fear of God, but rather through humility.
Humility is the courage to face our own weakness’, but to believe in our streghths.
And as Blair had said it is fear that religions use to control ones’ own thinking. But if you choose to believe in truth and accept it for what it is and respect it, it is then that you and perhaps man-kind can start to truely move on.
Myths are nothing more than a religion that no one believes in anymore. But at one time their gods were as real to them as Christ is to Christians. I think that there will be a time when all religions are nothing but myths, but until that time comes science will be my (un)religion.
For variety springs forth the fountain of diversity which only make us all more unique and less insignificant.
May the PTB be with you.